I personally do not like to suggest anything to do in your life and in your social life and social out look. I definitely say u that u need the approach of understanding the world issues including all humans with whom u have good and bad relations generally and others who u know only through the net particularly.
Moreover I do hope to keep this much of relation in future for better understanding each for any other more acceptable task in future.
Ayyub mohammed
kalyan panda
OK. I do not want to argue with you anymore. You are also biased and dogmatic. I do not think you are a true representative of the Muslims in India. The basic problems with intellectuals are to make others confused and make things unneccessarily complicated. The conditions of Muslims, differenciating with other countries, is not my brain child but narrated by many Muslims to me personally. I am personally in touch regularly with 3 of my friends whose sister/niece/phua are in Pakistan. Yesterday only 'Yezdi" told me after his wife came back from Pakistan about a fortnight before. I do not want to discuss about the conditions in PoK, where already a struggle has started. I know it's futile to debate as you do not try to find any positive points. I agree all of has the right to speak - what one feels. You will say Golwalkar whom I or none of my friends has ever heard. Only after coming to Mumbai at the age of 25, during 1981, I heard. I think if you go to West Bengal/Orrissa/Bihar/UP jharkhand or Uttaranchal - a very few would be able to say that they have heard of him. Leave south India apart. Now this fits to you own ego of explanation. You might be proud of your superfluous logic but I also as a Hindu know my/our feelings and thinking and can express freely. As a minority you do not have that exclusive domain (don't mind, it's not hate but factual expressions) to express you logic for Hindus. You are actually spoon feeding poision and serving the Bad radical Hindus whom we are also fighting within. You are blaming the entire majority community. How you feel when terrorism is linked with Islam? So my dear, please speak n debate every thing but try to reach a common understandable platform. You used the word 'dumb'. "One who knows not and knows not, he knows not, he is a fool pity him" - great saying.
About Israel you spoke the expected line of thinking. Like it is for Kashmir, entirely dependent on political-religious nexus. I don't mind a federal India. I don't mind proportional representation of the minorities even though Pakistan is seperated out of India on that prpose and issue - may be by way of presidential nominations like christian members are chosen. I even wish 25-30% of all communities be women. We must fist reach to the amicable and agreeable issues first and tackle the complicated ones later.
I think the process had started during Aurangzeb. And started complicating during sepoy mutiny by the British. Devide n rule was bare.
regards
panda
ayub mohd
I do not know what u know and what u do not like to know but the thing is that the issue as a center of discussion here have the origin in the 1920s where the principal manipulator of the Hinduism and its philosophy in the form of political lines through the bunch of thoughts written by guru golwalker against the muslims who invaded the India and its culture in the retaliatory attitude.since then that all like the pupils of that philosophy from street leader to the prime minister who says to get all the muslims under the uniform civil code after the long time of conspired silence during the freedom movement and drafting of the Indian constitution and its practically adoptable policies of indira,Nehru,Gandhi and vajapay,in amending the Indian constitution .
The conditions of other minorities in other muslims contries are the result and practices of the country only but no way it is concerned with the rulers of other contries .
Rulers in any country are regarded as the parent like look over the children where the muslims also have the definite relations with the parents under the roof of single family .the duty of the rulers in true sense should be in the way of DHARMA .no one should be discriminated among equal citizenry in any country including India .
Whether conditions of the muslims in India are good,? Or worse is not a question of those who sees them as an outsiders of the whole ambit of oneness on cultural aspect but only should be decided by themselves only .discrimination in execution of the policies promulgated as the role model of the country means committing 2 errors in the eye of rule of law and the dharma as a soul and spirit of the stream of the faith upon which the political structure is depended .in India where was the issue of change in attitude of muslims took into the fundamental form could not be a result direct for any benefit of the individuals or the whole of the muslims society against the hindu mind set had been started to change its form after the failure of the soviet block of the influential socialist thought when the cultural policing forces were not able to voice against the movements of the ruling methodology of the past governments in general and muslims in perticuler
It is the mejoritarian policing source found itself the best way to reach the task of capturing the political power through the muslim killings directly on the name of communal tensions in India .the reaction and retaliatory repulse of the muslims might be in the form of terrorist acts of bombing the power centers in certain parts and the capitol of the country including the financial capitol of the country has to be seen only from the lens of attackers and the fundamental attitudes against the muslims for the power only where as the muslims does not have any such goal of seeking the power
The change of liberal hindus to the fundamental for is the direct action plan of the manipulators of the philosophy of the hard core hinduist forces who wants to turn the ordinary civilians as the hindu military force against the muslims in India as it was proved in germany during the Hitler time that it is a day dream.
Muslims as a citizen of this country have every right to express the feelings ,thoughts and theories which proved the best in the for the welfare of the whole society of India .because this country what we feel as a mother land and have to do a lot as we done a lot in freeing this country with the blood as the choicest one to settle here .
Israel and the land issue of “the promised land “is not under the command of the individuals who does not like to leave a cent land to their neighbor in the wall dispute but it is so easy to suggest to give a land for the people who are powerful in the world and dominated force in white house .
Individual thought in expression against others is the simplest one without expense unlike the dumb
Principal way of universally accepted attitude is that no one do think wrong against other
As an essence of all religions in the world but new crusaders have come to save the world on the material benefit of the own people on the hope of another world .
Hope u think good and do good to others including the muslims in and around of the society at least hope not to harm others for the personal ends
If this too is not possible do not do anything except for himself for the family.
Ayub mohammed
kalyan panda
I am well aware of facts n figures n issues. Constitution is man made n may be changed. The issue is equality and applicability. Why there is not much commotion with other minorities. What is the history? One more thing, why common civil code would not be applicable to bring all in the ambit of equality.
About the change, can really anyone see changes in a Muslim country? You will find communal stink in my writing but you you will not see the applied truth - why I am saying so. Why Muslims in India rejected intellectuals to represnt them. Only politicians and religious heads are acceptable? I find a very handful of people who are genuinly interested in the upliftment of the community. Mostly negetive approach based on political approch based on religion. Why to blame bad radical Hindus for defence. It was there, it is there, it would be there. That is the fact. Like Nazis are there. Why I am saying this? Even moderate Hindus are becoming prone to adopt some kind of hardline which is leading to more problems in the offing. That is bad for the nation. The growing mistrust is very dangerous. Even secular politicians are taking advantages with hidden vested interests. What I mean that - do not emphasise much on so called Hindutwavadis. Like one more thing. Hindus are majority and backward class or cast is a problem within them. Why Muslims are blutantly interfering in that. Let them fight within themselves to sort out the social menace. There is one more thing - the conversion. That is also a bone of content. Why not freeze them for a while, till the education level rises to some desired level. Why not a mass gathering against Bin Lathe n other terrorist out fits, like it was done against Bush. Why not give the small place to Israelis to live peacefully. In a muslim country, no others get equality- fight against that. Indian Muslims are much much better than others and they can change the fate of the billion plus people worlwide in association with Portugal, Indonesia, Malayasia etc. Why there is not much resent again US. Charity begins at home. We must concentrate on our local issues first- taking consideration of Pakistan, BanglaDesh Afganisthan only for the initial stage. I have no bias or prejudice. I have many many Muslim friends who respects me from their heart. They understand my logic while discussing face to face. And the poor peasants and artisans? They are so good and innocent. In W.Bengal we never thought of these things or differentiate. I am a hindu Brahmin but I take any non-veg food consumed by humen. I wrote strongly to many against the banning of beef. Why to stop the cheap source of protein? Well we should see that the quality of the food is maintained as most of them are deseased after old age. Faiths should be based on love n respect.
Or be an atheist or Charwak. The arrogance is mostly with the minorities everywhere in the world as they think it's their tool to protect themselves. In Inia it is more pronounced as the culture of India and the law and the constitution do not allow that kind of supression. In higher echelion where competition is stiff, where intellectuality brings more confusion, there everything is used. Religion, caste, creed, class... everything. Like Yadavs in Bihar during Lalu's tenure, supressed all n sundry. So minority card should not be applied each n every place which means undue advantage for few- I repeat, it is not benificial to many. See how perfectly the Madrassa in W.Bengal are running. When Azharuddin was cornered, he also tried to use this card to scuttle the proceedings. Cultural authoritianism and humanity with dignity- do you really fins cultural invasion or suppression. Apart from somewhat acceptable untouchabikity, there is not much problem in rural side. We have to cope up with good/bad simulteniously and wait for the evolved society.
regards
panda
ayub mohd
seems a try to know all in a second without attempting to know the facts and issues in india where the constitution has guarenteed some rights to muslims as a minoirty in a democratic contry ,religion has its own historic neccessity and cultural change in any area of the land irrespective of ownership rights of any perticuler faith in the globe since the progress of civilizations moving forward with
such changes in faiths back to more than 15000 years as it is seen in the europe and the middle east.in india too here too we have a change of faiths from hinduism to buddism,sickism,janism ,besides islam .
the case if u want to understand perfectly ,should leave biases and prejudices irrespective of love of faith and hate of other religions under the authority of the indian constitution which has the basic point and centre of doing acts of every citizen irrespective of the faiths by setting a side of the mejoritarain arrogance and cutural authoritarianism.
interests ,benifits,the feelings ,"my,and mine "are the common phinomina of the commoners in every society.thinking the above level of all such self concerns would make any human corresponds to the higher level of dignity ,humanity,and unversal acceptence otherwise just live like a profiteering machine in the consumeristic routine without touch of souls of the real humanity
ayub mohammed
kalyan panda
What you are arguing is against your own community. You are also like the same Muslim who understand the people according to own belief. If I say there was no Islamic land in India before 500 years or in the world before 1800 years, then? If I say you have devided India in 1947 to create your own land to live there? What about the state sponsored riots in Pakistan or BanglaDesh? Did Muslim population in India decreased? So what are you complaining about? Are you trying to do harm to the common poor Muslims? Are you a mole of the radical and secular Hindus who wants to use these corrupt menace? Can you explain - what is the political,educational,social,economical etc etc status of people in Pakistan, BanglaDesh(Bengalees who claims to be intellectuals) or any other Arabic Muslim countries? Turkey, Malayasia, Indonesia etc are becoming somewhat exceptions which also you people do not like. What do you actually want? Do not use the Hindutwavadi card for your benefit like the aces. What have you done? Do not be a charlatan and damage the interest of the common, poor, innocent Muslim brothers who are about 15 crores in numbers. Yes, they require education to understand your nefracious intentions and to counter the radicals and to be a good citizen of India.
regards
panda
ayub mohd
more than 5000 communal riots evidently shown the results of ruling governmnents with marginalisation of muslims in political,educational,social.economical ,and all fields in india after independence with a clear cut out come of doubt on the reliabilities of muslims towards own contry which was the choicest of selection while partition ,not with the compulsion.
religious tensions and killings on the name of hindu-muslim ,if we calculate the two as the same since last 55 years in general and last 17 years .who are the loosers and gainers in political game of elections and formation of governments in central level and other states after playing the card of communal tensions for political power ,would be nothing for muslims but the HINDU FANDAMENTALS WHO plays the dominant role over the other back ward,scheduled castes and tribes .
just decide who is the gaining the power and who is .......loosing everything .
ayyub mohammed
kalyan panda
What is the applied and practical logic. This way charlatan intetellectuals may create more confusion. The fact is that Muslims are being considered as fanatics though it is not even half truth. So how good Muslims show their goodness rather than defending without result. They must criticise their religious heads. Come out of the dogma and express honestly. Remove some of the objectionable portions from the religious books with consent. Denounce the extremists and ex-communicate them as they are using Islam for their nefracious goal. They should not get burial ground and should be burnt in electric furnace like garbage. A big rally should me made (like against Bush). Criticising radical Hindus should be at lower ebb as it is creating more devidation. No amount of principles work at communal frenziness. Just take the example of Bhiwandi. If this time Hindu backlash starts with the evil fanatical Hindus, then it would be a catastrophe. Wedging more gaps and generating more distrust. I know my suggestions may be taken otherwise.
regards
panda
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