Thank you for taking a note of my proposal.
Through my mail I have merely drawn your attention to the traditions during Ramzan.
This is an open forum and all the members are at liberty to express their views on any subject of their choice. If you wish to continue to engage yourself in the on-going discussion without interruption for Ramzan no one should question you on this. Afterall as you are a citizen of a democratic country and this forum also believes in equality.
-- Mukesh Varma
ayub mohammed
u have addressed me by name primarily and all other netizens in common
.but i remind you that u could also be addressed to your friends who
posted such content in form of offence on muslims and islam .
u could not stop them before they post such content that offended very
sirously to those who beleives in islam ,and other religions too
including the secularists and neutrals out side of the terrotory.
one who feels what i post personal and for them only then, let them
go with their opinions .even i did not use the words on individuals
but only on the subject with high degree of comparitive levels with
practicality and applicability of their own religion which has the
long history that have seen in the beleif of the co-existance of the
other religious people ...in india
if they are in roza in this ramzan ,and saw what the people posted
against the islam and muslims ,they could have said the same before
completing the attack on islam and muslims ,even in the interest of
muslims ....
since the influence of the liberty and prosperity on the field of
individual freedom due to the vast development in the social relations
and machanical progress every one hold the ideas and opinions that
would never be wounded ..but it has been done ,,,intentionally because
those people who are against the muslims and islam in our contry does
not have such reasons in depth that could justify them with proper
reason .if not atleast on the way of humanity ...that they like to
show with their dogs that they feel that it is their status symbol .
once again i repeat that i have no such intentions to post adverse
content that they would feel uncomfortable but it is also i thought
that they should feel what they wanted to feel wounding wounding and
wouldning ..through hate ..
surely i do like to comtinue on my own even after ramzan tooo .but if
i find again such postings against islam and muslims i never hesitate
to utilize my right in protection of muslims and islam .....
ayub mohammed
Mukesh Varma
Dear Mr. Ayub Mohammed and fellow netigens,
This forum is for discussing issues and not persons but I am
posting this mail positioning Mr. Ayub Mohammed's case in focus.
Nonetheless, the scope of this posting encompasses an important issue.
I also seek moderation from Mr. Ayub Mohammed and others on this
forum if any part of this mail or interpretation carry an _expression
that may rub anyone the wrong way.
At the outset I also wish to mention that what I am proposing to
Mr. Ayub Mohammed is based on what I have learnt from some of my
enlightened friends who have been a follower of Islamic faith in
letter and spirit.
My above friends observe Roza (dawn- to- dusk fasting during
Ramdan) and try to take optimum benefits flowing out of this
self-imposed restraint. They are exceptionally polite and modest
during this period and read/listen/ speak only that that does not
distract them from nurturing noble thoughts. They do not go to movies
or other entertainment joints. They say that this is a holy period for
self-purification and for seeking to launder our sins and beg for
Allah's blessings for a pious living.
The month of Ramzan began on September 25. The postings made by
Mr. Ayub Mohammed during this period involved, mostly, researching /
writing on subjects like rape, prostitution, killing, hatred, etc.
These postings also carried some traces of anger, frustration,
vengeance and such tribulations. I wonder if such an engagement during
the Ramdaan month is conventional
Having said that, I would hasten to add that it is likely that Mr.
Ayub Mohammed has been involved in such a discussion, on this forum,
well before the initiation of Ramdaan month and could not control the
flow of his thoughts during Ramzan. If this is the case and Mr. Ayub
Mohammed wishes to continue with sharing of all the research
undertaken by him on the topics of his choice he may do so after the
Eid celebrations.
Before closing this communication I would urge Mr. Ayub Mohammed
and fellow netigens to take my submission in the spirit in which it is
being made.
-- Mukesh Varma
ayub mohammed
hahahahahahahahah
welll .very good .BUT worst association have always produce worst .
i difinitely come to your arguement which always tend to drag into
itself which is a part of contradiction in short and very minor in its
form and nature ,let me find the time over these hindu-fundamentalis t
who wanted to deepen the crisis of islam by colluding with the
zioninsts who dominates the foreign policy with the india and indian
muslims .u would never be spared ,if i left here from these points of
raising inside of their hinduism which does not have the content in
their philosophy and the philosophy of religions against islam and
muslims in india .
they like to start the history of hinduism with just the period of
muslim invasions and the muslims who wanted to be present at the time
of their invading history which has started from the egiptians .
if u want to join in the band against the islam and muslims ,u and
you only responsible for your misdeeds on the day in your life and
after toooo .still i am proud to be indian and living as indian and
living in india with a spirit of the indian constitution and rights of
the muslims and those who practicing islam ,
not compulsory option but of choice of my fore=fathers who decided
to stay here in india ...let them make all indians as pakisthanis ,but
i tooo never leave them without making them as foreigners who invaded
this land from the israel and occupied these lands imposed the
hinduism which has foreign roots and continuing themselves like native
indians ,
ayub mohammed
shadikatyal
Dear Shariq sahib,
well said and how true. We Indians are proud to have brothern like
you and our hats off to you and all others who have such ideals.
regards
shadi
--- In issuesonline_ worldwide@ yahoogroups. com, Shariq Hamid
>
> Ayub Saheb,
> Please give up this habbit of raising fingers at others, we do
have our share of skeletons hidden in cupboard. The holy Quran does
have a verse on Mut'a (4:24) and dont let me elaborate on 24:33 to
make the things more difficult.
> You seem to be a Pakistani living in UK, the Pakistanis do have an
inherent hatred for Hindus of India but Muslims like me, and
certainly a lot more of them who stay in India hold different
opinion and feel proud to be an Indian.
> SHARIQ.
>
> ayub mohammed
wrote: yes plight of the muslim
women more concerned that the own women of hiduism which was turned
them prostitutes on the name of religion in the temples in the
premises of the idols with drinks .and talking about the women of
muslim ,,whose relegion never told .....
>
> S kumar
> Abdul & Nader,
> why don't you read the plight of Muslim women in this
21st.Century, a first hand report and respond?
>
> Eaglesm23
> Thanks, SHARIQ, for having the guts to send this tory!
>
> --- shariqkmhamid@ ... wrote:---
> STONNING TO DEATH STILL COMMON IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES! SHAME!
> Posted by: "Shariq Hamid" shariqkmhamid@ ... shariqkmhamid
> Mon Oct 9, 2006 12:27 pm (PST)
> WAHEUP MUSLIMS, IS THIS ISLAM? THE BIBLICAL JEWISH PRACTICES
STOPPED
> EVEN BY JEWS ARE BEING CARRIED AWAY BY MUSLIMS STILL TODAY! AND
THAT
> TOO IN A MOST MODERN ISLAMIC COUNTRY? SHAME ! SHAME! ON YOU O
HADITH
> BELIEVERS, SHAME!
> SHARIQ.
>
> Sunlike
> Story "women are like cattle or slaves. If husband tells you to
do
> something, you have to obey" An Untold Love Story
> By Yagmur Dursun
> 2005/03/13
>
> My name is Yagmur (it means "rain"). I was born in rural Turkey,
in a
> village. Generally Turkish women enjoy many freedoms, which our
Arab
> sisters can’t even think of. Rural Turkey is a different story.
> Honour killings take place every day, women don’t have much say
(if
> any) in household matters and female employment is out of
question.
> However, much hard work is done by women because men don’t want
to
> strain themselves; women are like cattle or slaves. If husband
tells
> you to do something, you have to obey.
>
> My mother was a fairly educated woman, she taught me at home and
I
> even went to school. My hobby was reading books. Through them I
> learnt different languages and acquired a lot of knowledge.
>
> I was a disciplined and obedient girl, unlike my sister who was
> somewhat uppity. When she was 18, she fell in love with a young
man.
> They both loved each other but he was meant for another girl,
thus
> his parents had decided. Dating is utterly forbidden in Islam,
> marriages are arranged and often young people meet on their
wedding
> day.
>
> My sister was rebellious. She “dated” that young man. Every
night
> she would go to see him. They even kissed and actually their
> relationship went too far. She got pregnant. At first they
planned to
> run away to a big city where they would be safe. They knew in
> villages, religion rules and they could be in trouble.
Authorities
> don’t care what’s going on in rural Turkey. Sometimes imams,
> mullahs and elders who try to practice Sharia and break the
secular
> state law are punished but usually authorities are more
interested in
> big cities full of tourists and turn a blind eye to what happens
in
> villages.
>
> I remember their young faces. I didn’t understand the whole
> situation; I was a little girl. But when I looked at them I could
see
> they were happy. Their happiness made me happy too and I wanted
to
> smile.
>
> Instead of eloping, they decided to speak to my
father. "Pregnancy is
> a very good reason to get permission for marriage", or so they
> thought.
>
> Alas, my sister had miscalculated my father’s love for her and
his
> obsession with his religion. He became furious. Instead of
letting
> the two young lovers marry and build their nest of love, he took
her
> to the religious elders and they ruled that she had committed
> adultery. She was sentenced to death by stoning. They showed no
mercy
> even for her unborn child. She had stained the “honour” of
the
> family and the only way to remove that stain was to nip her life
in
> the bud. Her unborn baby was a stain too and that little creature
had
> to be destroyed as well, so my family could live honorably.
>
> In the evening before her execution, she came to my room and told
me
> that she would miss me. She was crying and hugged me to her
bosom.
> Then she smiled and said that soon she would see her unborn baby.
I
> was blissfully unaware of her fate, but I felt that something bad
was
> about to happen. I was so scared!
>
> I still remember her black eyes; she stared at the sky while she
was
> dug into the ground. She was wrapped in white sheets and her
hands
> were tide to her body. She was buried up to her waist. The rabid
mob
> circled her with stones in their hands and started throwing them
at
> her while the roars of Allah-u-Akbar Allah-u-Akbar added to their
> frenzy. She twitched with pain as the stones hit her tender body
and
> smashed her head. Blood gushed out from her face, cheeks, mouth,
nose
> and eyes. All she could do was to bend to the left and to the
right.
> Gradually the movements slowed down and finally she stopped
moving
> even though the shower of the stones did not stop. Her head fell
on
> her chest. Her bloodied face remained serene. All the pain had
gone.
> The hysteric mob relented and the chant of Allah-u’Akbar
stopped.
>
> Someone approached and with a big boulder in his hand smashed the
> scull of my sister to finish her off. There was no need for that;
she
> was already dead. Her bright black eyes that beamed with life
were
> shut. Her jovial laughter that filled the world around her was
> silenced. Her heart that beat with such a heavenly love for only
a
> short time had stopped. Her unborn baby was not given a chance to
> breathe one breath of air. He (or she) accompanied his young
mother
> in her solitary and cold tomb, or who knows, maybe to a better
place
> where love reigns and pain and ignorance are not known. These two
> budding lives had to be nipped so my father could keep his
honour.
>
> Woman being prepared for stoning- Iran
>
> She wanted to marry a man whom she loved. She dreamt wearing a
white
> wedding dress, that there would be a big ceremony, lots of people
> would be invited and they all would congratulate her, chant merry
> songs and throw flowers and confetti at her. Yes there was a
> ceremony, but it was not her wedding. She was dressed in white
but
> that was not her wedding gown. Lots of people came to the party
but
> they came to curse her and to throw stones at her. No music was
> played and no merry songs were sang; only screams of Allah-u-
Akbar
> filled the air. The only hug she got was from the cold earth in
which
> she was half buried. The only kisses that she received were from
the
> rocks thrown at her that tore her flesh and broke her bones. They
> were the kisses of death. She was not united with the man whom
she
> loved but was wed to death.
>
> This was a tragedy for my sister’s young lover. His life lost
its
> meaning. He got lashes but nothing more. He could well forget
about
> the whole affair and get along with his life, but he didn't. I
recall
> seeing him standing in front of our house every day, as if
waiting
> for my sister to come out and meet him. I could see him crying. I
can
> only imagine that when he was not crying in front of our house he
was
> in the cemetery, crying over the grave of his love and his baby.
One
> day he could no more bear his pain and hanged himself.
>
> His death was hushed and no one talked about it. Maybe no one
cared.
> He was reunited with his love and his baby. No one can hurt them
> anymore. No one can separate them from one another again.
>
> It is a sad story. But unlike the story of Romeo and Juliet it is
a
> story that is never told. No one talks about those young lovers.
No
> one sheds tears for them. Not only they were buried, their
memories
> were also buried as if they never existed - their tender love was
a
> shame to others - a shame that had to be washed with blood.
>
> But the saddest part is that according to Islam my sister
deserved
> that death. The elders were sure she would be burning in Hell for
> eternity. No, I can't imagine that God can send someone to Hell
for
> loving and for being happy. I can't accept a cruel God.
>
> ____----**** O****---- ____
>
> Now back to my life. When I turned 18, I was married off to a
Turkish
> businessman from Germany. When I came to Germany I found out that
he
> had another wife.
> He is not a bad man at all. He is very kind, but he is a Muslim.
He
> doesn’t understand why Europeans don’t like polygamy, for
> instance. He doesn’t allow us to leave the home. He protects
our
> honour in this strange way.
>
> Then we moved to the UK. Here we are even more isolated than in
> Germany because there are fewer Turks. In Germany we at least
could
> meet our fellow expats.
>
> As for my relationship with my husband's first wife, we are
friends.
> There is some rivalry between us, that’s for sure. But I am
alone
> and can’t meet anyone or leave home. Her life is just as dull
and
> empty as mine. We can’t hate each other; we should be friends
to
> overcome our troubles. My co-wife and I are like two cellmates.
We
> only have each other. There is not much room for antagonism or
hard
> feelings.
>
> I have 5 children, she has 4. She occupies a more privileged
position
> within our family because she has a son. I have given birth only
to
> daughters so far.
>
> We are both educated, but she is so obsessed with kids that she
has
> given herself up. I am still trying to grasp at non-existent
straws;
> probably one day I will be freed… I read books, keep myself
> informed and like to think. She is not remotely interested in
reading
> books or thinking. I am alone.
>
> Sometimes I think of running away, but I have 5 daughters. I can
> neither leave them, nor run away with them. Actually, I am stuck.
>
> Even though I left Islam a long time ago, I cannot stop praying
or
> fasting. My husband keeps a rod for the disobedient…
>
> When I try to protest, my mouth is shut up with quotes from the
> Quran. Islam defines our lives. Isn’t it stupid that people
live
> according to a book written a long time ago?
>
> I am not whining about my life but I do hate Islam. At least I
could
> object to certain traditions but Islam preserved the worst in our
> culture, reducing women into slavery and keeping them ignorant.
What
> can you expect from an uneducated woman?
>
> When I look at my daughters, I pray that they may live in a free
> world, free from Islam and this slavery.
>
> Ali, you promised to defeat Islam very soon, so please do it.
>
> I know sometimes you must feel like giving up. It seems to me
> you’ve devoted yourself fully to the good cause of yours. You
may
> feel at times that you will never succeed. I just want to say
that
> you are fighting for women like me. When you despair, think of me
and
> millions of women with similar tragic experiences. Never give up.
You
> are my knight in shining armour. I just want you to know that I
am
> your keen supporter.
>
> Please sent this story to your friends and publish it in your
site.
>
> Yagmur Dursun is a pen name. Some details of this story have been
> changed to hide the identity of the author
>
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